Practices from Sumerian Sacred Texts – Introduction Has Been Updated

The latest page to be updated in the practices by tradition area of the site focuses on the ancient Sumerians and their connection to the religion and lost civilization of the sun.

A clay tablet found at Ebla in Syria, dated to about 4,500 years before present. Public domain image located here.

The Sumerians are one of the earliest cultures known to history and also one of the first sources of writing discovered to date. Their texts survive on clay tablets written with cuneiform script. Thousands of these have been found, with contents ranging from accounting records and inventories to epic poems, myths, and sacred texts.1

Much of their meaning can seem obscure. Scholars consider Sumerian to be a “language isolate” unrelated to any language that survives today. There are various minority theories proposing links to other surviving language families such as Kartvelian, Uralic, Basque, Sino-Tibetan or Dravidian, but none of these theories has been firmly established or gained widespread acceptance because the available evidence is so limited.2 The unknown origins and obscure nature of this language make translation painstaking and highly interpretive. This unfortunately adds extra difficulty to the challenge of understanding spiritual texts and stories that are in many cases already symbolic and mysterious.34

Nonetheless, reading the translated fragments available reveals flashes of an ancient wisdom that stems from the Religion of the Sun. One researcher even makes a plausible case that a Sumerian tablet shows images of a site similar in appearance to Gobekli Tepe, suggesting how very ancient the knowledge of the Sumerians may have been.5

Another striking element of Sumerian legend that suggests great antiquity is how closely it parallels nearby accounts from Egypt and India, as discussed below. Could it be a coincidence that the three of the most significant ancient cultures that we know of (all emerging in relatively close proximity to each other) all speak of a time of divine kings, a great flood, and wisdom-bringers helping to renew civilization?

Here is an excerpt from the introduction:

[…] Sumerian legend speaks of an ancient antediluvian past where divine kings ruled for long lengths of time, similar to the “first time” of Egyptian myth.6 Sumerian writings also describe a prehistoric flood7—paralleling accounts found in Egypt8 and India9—in which a wisdom-bringer named Ziusudra is guided to survive the flood in a boat and begin civilization anew. He does this in some accounts by burying the secrets of knowledge in Sippar, an ancient “city of the sun” associated with the sun god Utu.10 Sumerian accounts also speak of seven divine sages (known as the “Apkallu”)11 guiding humanity, just as Hindu scripture describes legends of seven sages.12

Great Ziggurat Ur

The Great Ziggurat in the Sumerian city of Ur, which aligns to the summer solstice sunrise. Hardnfast [GFDL or CC BY 3.0], via Wikimedia Commons

[…] Like many other places where the Religion of the Sun was practiced, Mesopotamian monumental architecture demonstrated a reverence for the sun and advanced knowledge of geometry and astronomy, such as in Gobekli Teppe13 and Harran in Turkey and the ancient Sumerian city of Ur,14 whose Great Ziggurat aligns with the summer solstice sunrise.15

Although not as well known as the great sites in Egypt, Sumerians also constructed monumental architecture on a massive scale. Many of their great cities included a stepped temple known as a ziggurat, which the Greek historian Herodotus stated functioned as a shrine.16

Relatively little information is available about any possible alignments these massive mud-brick structures have (especially as many have not survived well), but evidence indicates that alignments do exist, such as at the Great Ziggurat of Ur, which aligns precisely with the summer solstice sunrise.

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  1. Kyle Cassidy, “Scholars Build Internet Dictionary to Unravel Sumerian Language,” Near Eastern Archaeology 65, no. 4 (2002): 285. 

  2. “Sumerian language,” Wikipedia, August 20, 2017, accessed September 01, 2017, 

  3. Terhi Nurmikko-Fuller, “Ancient Sumerian Online: Challenges and opportunities,” XRDS: Crossroads, The ACM Magazine for Students – Natural Language 21, no. 1 (2014): 36. 

  4. For an example of the variation that can exist in translating even a single line among specialized scholars, see Bendt Alster, “Like a Clod thrown into water: On the translation of a Sumerian Proverbial phrase,” Wiener Zeitschrift für die Kunde des Morgenlandes 86 (1996): 17-20. Another researcher, Dr. K. Loganathan, has suggested that the Sumerian language is related to ancient Tamil, a Dravidian language spoken in parts of India and Sri Lanka that is distinct from Indo-European languages such as Sanskrit. See this post highlighting Dr. Loganathan’s work. 

  5. This idea was put forth by researcher Madeleine Daines and cited in Graham Hancock, “Gobekli Tepe image on Sumerian tablet?” The Official Graham Hancock website, accessed August 30, 2017,

  6. The Sumerian King List (translation found here) describes eight antediluvian kings who ruled for almost 400,000 years in five sacred cities before “the flood swept over.” Chronologies of ancient Egypt also refer to a prehistorical “first time” when various divine and semi-divine kings ruled for long lengths of time. Graham Hancock, Fingerprints of the Gods (Three Rivers Press, 1995), 367-374. 

  7. Several Sumerian tablets speak of the great flood with an example here. Note that the example describes Ziusudra sacrificing animals after surviving the flood, which is a practice that is in direct opposition to the Religion of the Sun. As is the case with many ancient accounts, the clay tablet that is the source for this story is describing events that most likely happened thousands of years prior to the writing, leaving significant opportunity for interpolation and modification. The description of animal sacrifice appears to be an example of a much later and devolved cultural practice inserted into a text describing events that were already very ancient even in Sumerian times.  

  8. The destruction of the antediluvian Egyptian sacred land is described in the Edfu Temple descriptions and elaborated in Graham Hancock, Magicians of the gods: the forgotten wisdom of Earths lost civilization (London: Coronet, 2016), 170-171. 

  9. Hindu texts describe a wisdom-bringer named Manu, who is saved from a great flood along with the Saptarishi (seven sages) to refound civilization. The story appears in section 185 of the Vana Parva of the Mahabharata and other scriptures. 

  10. Gerald P. Verbrugghe and John M. Wickersham, Berossos and Manetho, introduced and translated: native traditions in ancient Mesopotamia and Egypt (Ann Arbor: Univ. of Michigan Press, 2003), 49. Cited in Hancock, Magicians, 163. 

  11. Russell E. Gmirkin, Berossus and Genesis, Manetho and Exodus: Hellenistic histories and the date of the Pentateuch (New York: T & T Clark Internat., 2006), 109. 

  12. Mahabharata, Vana Parva 185. 

  13. Hancock, Magicians, 5-7. 

  14. Ibid, 353-357. 

  15. Bryan E. Penprase, The Power of Stars: How Celestial Observations Have Shaped Civilization (New York, 2011: Springer), 226. 

  16. “Ziggurat.” Wikipedia. August 15, 2017. Accessed August 16, 2017. 


  • Thanks Justin – it’s amazing really to see the connection between the various ancient cultures, again we have the story of the flood, of a wisdom bringer, and 7 helpers – how could it be just a coincidence? These cultures were all separated by land mass or by oceans. Not only their language..! But here we have again the similar story of the rebuilding of civilization after a natural catastrophic event, and again this rebuilding is linked to the religion of the sun. I’m just in awe how everything seem so interconnected.

    And with the mantra OM / AUM connection between the hindu civilization and the sumerian one, it is really compelling to see this thread between the two. So much more to uncover…!

  • This as an introduction, we have taken few cues from Loganathan made some progress. More over: Please see our papers, we are interested in the discussions and note, in Tamil society, the major annual festival is praying to Sun by offering boiled rice, called pongal.

    Ziggurat to Meenakshi Amman Temple – Thamizhar Sigaram Thottu, presentation draft
    P. Purushothaman
    Publication date

    • Hi Purushothaman,

      Thank you for the links – the second one doesn’t work for me but I did read through the first. Although I can only read the English parts unfortunately 🙂

      I am curious to know, in the work that you and Dr. Loganathan and others have done in exploring connections between the Sumerian texts and archaic Tamil, have you come across any passages that you would interpret as being focused on the sun from a spiritual perspective? It would be interesting to see them.

      • Hi, Justin, Thank you, Menan, the co-author of our paper forwarded your site link to me, very interesting on your seeking on sun-god. Copy of our paper, can be accessed through my private google drive link for your reference: this could not be pasted here as your system sees as SPAM

        Where the appendix-1 shows some interesting materials perhaps on Sun/cosmic displays, as we try to translate or rework.

        Both Loganathan and I are of the view that Hindu religious philosophies evolved through Sumerian times, see one thing is , an can be seen in Tamil as vaan, sky and persons even my name ends with …man, aaNdavan is very come Tamil word refers to God. The ruler or land lord is also referred in olden times as aandai.

        You will also see in the link-paper some reference to sun and fire balls as cosmic events.

        The pictogram for an and palm date of Sumerian is seen by me depicting as sun, radials and palm-date or palm tree from top angle. I still hold that certain Sumerian scripts still holding abstract pictogram depiction corresponding to ancient forms.

        I have reworked a mantra in Tamil based on Gayatri mantra in Sanskrit (which I got motivated as my school friends (brahmin boys in a gurukula) used to pray to sun god as sandiya-vandanam and do my mother ( we are not brahmins) to sun daily after taking bath in the morning; all would not tell me what they pray, which motivated me to revisit on Gayatri mantra.

        also note, the Vaisnavits(Vishnu followers) see the Sun as Lord Narayanan and the Saivits (Shiva followers) sees sun bright light as Lord Shiva himself.

        The Sumerian udu is the syllable, which also form base in Tamil to mean day break as uthayam. One of a leading political party (DMK) symbol is rising sun, called in Tamil as uthaya soorian. ‘u’ is also a base of the ongaara, Om. ‘du’ could also mean (represent) running, as the sun running or moving from east to west. One of my interest is to investigate further, these linkages.

        from ePSD
        du [GO] (5868x: ED IIIb, Old Akkadian, Lagash II, Ur III, Early Old Babylonian, Old Babylonian) wr. du “imperfect singular stem of ĝen[to go]” Akk. alāku
        u [TOTALITY] wr. u; u5 “totality, world” Akk. kiššatu

        • ud [SUN] (29106x: Lagash II, Ur III, Old Babylonian) wr. ud “day; heat; a fever; summer; sun” Akk. immu; ummedu; umšu; šamšu; ūmu

          Also, please note, as in Tamil, we can coin as many words through root syllables, even our famous village game Kabadi, where we are supposed to sing or tell gu.du or ku.du-ku.du without stopping as a rider, having direct connection to Sumerian syllables u and du, or ud

        • Hi Purushothaman,

          Thanks for sharing more of your research and experiences.

          I found it quite fascinating that giving prayers to the sun is still a daily practice in the lives of some people in India. It’s nice to hear that a tradition like that persists to the present day, as it seems to reflect the centrality of the sun in the Hindu tradition.

          I managed to get a working link to your paper and appreciated that it gave some more detail about the method you and your colleagues are using to compare Sumerian and Tamil. The proposed parallels between the two languages are very intriguing — I hope the research continues and further discoveries can be made in this area.

          On that note, I was saddened to learn in reading the paper that Dr. Loganathan had passed away. It seems he was a very innovative scholar in his approach to studying Sumerian, and I’m sure the loss is especially felt by those of you that worked closely with him. I remember how kind and helpful he was when I reached out to him in the past with questions about his work.

          • Thank you, Justin. Dr. Loga has left a legendary not only on Sumerian links, but recovering Indian philosophy, particularly in connection with Tamil saivits works, our meeting place was through yahoo group called “meykandar”, who was a saint. Loga has left behind a good Tamil online resources for future generations to use. After his demise, practically there is no activity in that group.

            We have problem at Tamilnadu that many people have not accepted his findings on Sumerian-Tamil link, as we are looking for our own origins South of Cape Kumari in the Indian ocean, as we believe in it. My recent ancestors, some 1000 years back migrated from Mangalore (on the Arabian sea coast of India), Tulu speaking then. My search on Sumerian surprised me with syllables tu & lu, We are called here in Tamilnadu as farmers speaking Tulu, but now we speak only Tamil, not, forgotten.

            On the daily morning prayers, our school friends would see the sun by making a pin hole by crossing two fingers in each hand (using four fingers), I used to see sun direct by squeezing both eyes, not now. Even, we used to see sun and pray or get inspiration, the cricket legend Tendulkar in the field a classic example of it.

            My reworking of Gayatri mantra in Tamil sees, that we are made-up of sun particles still shining, burning though separated by time and space, it sees the colors are scattered all over by Lord Shiva (matter) with Goddess Parvathi (sakthi, energy), coincidentally, similar depiction had also been made by a Tamil saint. Shiva-Sakthi is we understood here as matter and energy.

          • also, please note, “udaans” in present day usage in Tamilnadu, means imaginative, or fake information or over stated… Just as translating the Gilgamesh Enkidu, we find the poet articulating how the distant past was, which could be mostly based on certain observations, but similar descriptions when started coming out could have lead to the present meaning as above, see udaans ->>

            We could aswell traverse back and compare some of Sumerian syllables, as you noted much research is required in this angle, using present form of Tamil and other ndian languages.

          • Purushothaman, its incredible to see the similarities in the Tamil and Sumerian languages. I once heard that much can be destroyed and lost in the rubble of ancient sites, but a lot is preserved in language, how things are named etc.

            It is so interesting that the ‘U’ and ‘udu’ is related to the sun, as I have heard the sound ‘U’ is also related to the physical rays of the sun when chanting a mantra with this sound.

            Very beautiful and deeply moving song of the epic of gilgamesh, thanks for sharing.

          • Hello Purushothaman,

            How cool that you’re also creating some of your own songs in the Sumerian language, sparked by that song of Peter Pringle, but I guess also fueled by your own interests of your study. Very nice to hear your free style Sumerian song and refreshing that you express your interest also through the means of music.

            I’m not very expert or read in on the Tamil-Sumerian connection… Would you be able to state the nature of your possible findings in a simple way? Is it that traces of Sumerian are still found in Tamil language and that through this the old Sumerian can be translated in an alternative way than modern Assyriologists normally do, revealing a different meaning?

            It’s unfortunate to hear Dr. Loganathan passed away. It’s nice to hear he was able to achieve an important work in his life.

          • Yes, Loganathan was a good teacher, the traditional one with high values, we miss him.
            More notes:
            In simple terms Sumerian called their father as abba, aya (where as Tamil call father as அப்பா, அய்யா ->> Appā, ayyā. Sumerian cried or exclaimed shyly as aya (where as Tamil make a characteristic sound அய்யோ , ஐயோ , அய்ய ->> Ayyō, aiyō, ayya. Sumerian called beer as kas (Where as Tamil prepare herbal bitter drinks or medicine which they call கஷாயம் ->> Kaṣāyam). What we could see is some direct links to Sumerian syllables & Tamil, and more, may be further research is required in that direction. I have used whole article of [ – C] reworked using Tamil and my paper talks on pedagogy of those days and relating it to present time ( Also note sir of Sumerian for sing, refers to parts of poem or syllables in poem in Tamil.

            So, I boldly made an hypothesis that Sumerian spoke Tamil, which is in part what Loganathan said as Sumerian is archaic form of Tamil & Sanskrit.

            from ePSD

            abba [FATHER] (107x: ED IIIb, Old Akkadian, Ur III, Old Babylonian) wr. ab; ab-ba; abba2 “old (person); witness; father; elder; an official” Akk. abu; šību
            aya [FATHER] (561x: ED IIIb, Old Akkadian, Ur III, Early Old Babylonian, Old Babylonian) wr. a-a; aya2; a-ia “father” Akk. abu

            aya [CRY] (110x: Old Babylonian) wr. a; u3 “a cry of woe; to cry, groan” Akk. ahulap; nâqu

            kaš [BEER] (13889x: ED IIIa, ED IIIb, Old Akkadian, Lagash II, Ur III, Early Old Babylonian, Old Babylonian, unknown) wr. kaš; kaš2 “beer; alcoholic drink” Akk. šikaru

            šir [SING] (150x: ED IIIb, Ur III, Old Babylonian) wr. šir3 “a song; to sing” Akk. zamāru; zamāru ša pitni

          • Hello Purushothaman,

            Thanks so much for providing links to some of your research. I’m looking forward to reading through it.

  • Nicely done Justin. So many later cultures and traditions appear to have come out of this area and from the Sumerians, so it’s nice to get as far back to the source as possible 🙂

    • It is interesting you mention that Jordan. One thing that struck me in researching the history of Mesopotamia was how many other cultures emerged there (Akkadians, Assyrians, Babylonians, etc.) and how they all seemed highly influenced by the Sumerians, often adopting their myths and religious figures and giving them new names, just like the Romans adopted gods of the Greek pantheon and renamed them. The influence of the Sumerians seemed really vast even thousands of years after they had ceased to exist as a distinct culture and their people and territories had been incorporated into other civilizations.

      Another factoid that I found interesting was that at some point the Sumerian language was supplanted in daily use by Akkadian in that region, but then for a long period after, Sumerian was still retained as a ceremonial language used for ritual and religious purposes. Similar to how Latin was retained in some Christian churches even though it has long disappeared as a spoken language. Again it seemed to suggest the reverence and respect these later cultures had for that of the Sumerians.

  • Thanks Justin. Although separated by a great barrier of time, to be able to possibly connect on a personal level to stories or practices from ancient Sumer is amazing. Hopefully more information and practices can be extracted or found.

  • Thanks for this research Justin, and for bringing my attention to the section on practices from Sumerian ancient texts. It’s amazing that some of the most widely-known spiritual exercises, mantra OM, intuition, observation and watching dreams, have such ancient roots.
    It sounds like the culture in Sumeria was one of the seed cultures that have very spiritual origins. Amazing that its language is so unrelated to others, and yet, that we have these snippets of evidence of a commonality between it and ancient Vedic civilization that show it could have been part of a global religion.

  • This is timely for me – I am currently reading Magicians of the Gods by Graham Hancock and funnily enough have just reached the part where he mentions the five “Antediluvian” Sumerian cities that existed pre-flood.

    Is very fascinating to learn more about these cultures that all speak of times before this cataclysm with remarkable similarity. Hopefully as time progresses archeological work will reveal more evidence and (what would perhaps be most amazing) more texts that relate to the religion of the sun.

      • Magician’s of the Gods is actually recommended on our modern resources page as a book that is a good source of information on the lost civilization of the sun. I’ve only read snippets so far but its on my to-read list.

        It came out in 2015, but I understand he released a revised edition earlier this year with additional chapters incorporating new evidence that has since come to light. So if you are going to get it, probably worth getting the revised January 2017 edition (both editions are available on Amazon).

      • Hi Ella, I’d definitely recommend it. Graham made some very interesting connections in it about the lost ancient civilization. The Sumerian section Jon is referencing above was particularly interesting for me.

      • I’ve read Magicians of the Gods and would say it is very well worth reading to get a deeper background on the historical/scientific evidence for a lost civilization. Hancock has been exploring the topic for several decades, and he is able to pull from a huge body of research into mythology, geology, archeology, history, and more to make a very compelling and well-substantiated argument.

        The essence of his thesis is that there was an advanced civilization destroyed in a cataclysm at the end of the last ice age, and that survivors of this civilization transferred their knowledge after the cataclysm and were responsible for initiating many of the cultures known to history.

        I find that the strength of Hancock’s work is that he combines the rigorous research of an academic with the storytelling of a journalist. The result is work that is accessible to a general audience (and actually enjoyable to read) but is at the same time very well grounded in facts and evidence.

    • Interesting, I’d like to read this book. David and I watched a talk Graham Hancock gave recently where he was covering info from the book and it was quite compelling. Will have to pick it up.

    • Thanks for the lead guys. I’d heard of the book, but didn’t know what it was about or that it could contain some good stuff. Also curious to read it now.

  • It’s such a shame that their language is unrelated to any languages which survives today, yet I have faith that knowledge is waiting to be unearthed and deciphered on ancient Sumeria.

    It’s quite inspiring to know that evidence indicates that Sumerian monuments exist which have alignments with the sun. It’s very obvious to me that the ancient wisdom of this civilization stems from the Religion of the Sun.

    Great work Justin thanks for sharing it. I’ve always been very interested in this lost civilization or is it really lost.

    • Hi John, I don’t think that anyone can say with absolute certainty that ancient Sumerian isn’t related to any languages today — it’s more the case that scholars haven’t been able to verify or reach consensus that it is. That might change in time as new discoveries are made. And also, sometimes mainstream consensus can be wrong.

      Scholars and linguists seem to think that Sumerian isn’t an Indo-European language, and the general consensus is that it’s not related to any contemporary language. However, some scholars have proposed that it has links to other language families in Europe like Kartvelian, Uralic or Basque, (which are also not Indo-European), or the Dravidian languages, which are still spoken in southern India (while Indo-European languages are largely spoken in north India). These are minority views though.

      Jon shared an interesting snippet above suggesting that ancient Sumer might be the remnant of a pre-flood civilization.

      If true, that might suggest it is the remnant of an even older civilization than the one that reseeded the civilization of the sun after the end of the last ice age, with a different branch of language — or a contemporary civilization that existed at the same time as say Atlantis, and with the same religion, but in a different region and with a different language.

      If the minority theories proposing links to other surviving languages have any validity (which I must say I am not qualified to say) that might suggest this older civilization was widespread before the flood but was wiped out by an earlier cataclysm, perhaps leaving remnant languages in different places, like Basque in Europe and the Dravidian languages in India. (Interestingly the Basque people who still live in Spain and France today are said to be genetically linked to Celts of Wales and Ireland, with those genetic links going back to an ancient period during the ice age).

      As I understand it, the large-scale Indo European migrations happened after the ice age ended, and perhaps they moved into areas where there were remnant populations with linguistic links to this other, perhaps older, civilization, which might explain why you still have different European language branches in Europe today, some of which survived in pockets even as Indo-European languages spread and became dominant.

      This is all highly speculative of course and I’m just “thinking out loud”, and I want to make clear that I don’t know enough to draw any conclusions. But it’s very intriguing, and hopefully as more information comes to light and research is done we might get a clearer picture.

      • My understanding is that the case for some of the related languages today can be compelling, but that it can be challenging to get mainstream acceptance, which essentially leaves some alternate views as fringe ideas only. A bit like proposing an alternate history. At least that’s the sense I got while exploring one Dravidian researcher’s work in the past (which can read about here:

        With language isolates, for linguists they usually indicate a people who came into an area not native to them, since typically neighboring languages develop in similar ways, borrow from one another, etc. Not sure how that works when there’s a great flood happening and few antediluvian survivors though 🙂

        • I get the same impression as you Jenny. The arguments linking the Sumerian language to these other languages have been put forward by linguists and serious scholars, but for whatever reason they’ve not gained widespread acceptance. Because linguistics is such a specialized field of expertise I find it hard as a layperson to know for sure where the truth lies though. If you’re not fluent in the language yourself, you are always somewhat dependent on someone else to translate/interpret it for you after all, and then the field of linguistics has its own arcane layer of jargon on top of that.

          As for the technical definition of a language isolate (according to one linguist anyway) it is: “a language which has no relatives, that is, that has no demonstrable genetic relationship with any other language. It is a language which has not been shown to be the descendant of any ancestral language which has other descendants (daughters)”

          I don’t think this means they wouldn’t have shared and exchanged words with neighbors with different neighboring languages, it’s more that the underlying structure of the language is different. (For example, no matter how many Japanese words like “sushi” pass into English usage, the two languages are still fundamentally different, from different origins).

          From my understanding, I don’t think it necessarily means people do or do not belong to an area either, just that their language has no surviving relatives. Sometimes they are spoken by relic populations/cultures that have actually been in an area in longer than surrounding languages/people, who retained their language even as demographics changed around them. An example of that would be the Basque peoples and languages in Europe. Basque is understood to be one of the oldest languages in Europe, and the Basque people are thought to be the descendants of people who were in Western Europe before the arrival of Indo-Europeans, who are thought to have migrated westwards from (what is believed to be) the Indo-European homeland in Steppe of Eastern Europe/Eurasia. The Basque language and genetics are distinct from other Europeans, and the Basques are also thought to be the progenitors of the original Britons. (There seems to be a lot of hotly contested debate around the Basque language too, like there is is with Sumerian)

          Perhaps it could be a similar thing with Tamil, which is part of the Dravidian language family, of which there are a number of descendants in southern India. Indo-Europeans are believed to have migrated into India from the northwest, and to have mixed with a genetically distinct people endemic to India/South Asia. This other population are the people believed to have spoken Dravidian languages, like Tamil, which as you point out has been proposed as being related to Sumerian, as with Basque in Europe. In India today, genetic studies have shown all Indians are about 50/50 mix of these two distinct ancient lineages (the Dravidian speaking population and the peoples who migrated from the north west), however Northern India has a higher concentration of the northern lineage DNA and Indo-European languages, like Hindi, also predominate there (with Dravidian languages only continuing in a few isolated pockets) while in the south of India the opposite is the case both genetically and linguistically, with Dravidian languages like Tamil being the official language in the southern State of Tamil Nadu for example.

          The possibility of connections between ancient Sumerian, the Basque languages of Europe, and Dravidian languages of India, all of which are quite ancient, is what makes me wonder out loud if they once connected in some way or were even descended from a civilization that existed during the ice age, and was almost entirely lost or fragmented. If so, when wisdom bringers went out at the end of the last ice age, and by the time large-scale Indo-European migrations went out from the Steppes in various directions, taking a version of the Religion of the Sun with them as they went, they may have encountered these remnants and mixed largely peacefully with them.

          Just a theory 🙂 The whole thing is very intriguing though, and it’s something I’d be interested in looking into further one day.

          • Yep, overall I agree with your other thoughts, and the connections you mentioned… Very interesting and mysterious bit of history to explore 🙂

            I meant with the note above just to add the possibility that language isolates can also mean a people who came from elsewhere, as that’s one consideration linguists tend to take into account. Here’s an example of this explained by one linguist about how that might be applicable for the Zuni language in the USA, for example:

          • That’s a fascinating article Jenny, I never knew there was such similarities between Japanese and a language spoken by a tribe in North America. Another mysterious bit of history to explore 🙂

            I think I might have misunderstood what you meant originally when it was said about a language isolate being a language that came from somewhere else, just because so many human populations migrated from somewhere at some point if you go back far enough. But I see what you mean now, a language can be regionally isolated, but have relationships outside that region from where the people originally came from, rather than be a total language isolate in the absolute sense, with no known relationships anywhere, which is the mainstream position on the Sumerian language (which is a contested view in any case).

            In the case you mentioned it certainly looks as if Zuni speakers originally came from elsewhere and remained an outlier in North America, unlike say the Basque, where it looks like it happened the other way around, in that a language remained in place in an isolated area of Europe as migrations led to the establishment of other languages in the surrounding region. I guess it can happen either way.

            What’s interesting in all these cases is that alternative researchers are bringing up information suggesting these languages — which are supposed to be completely isolated according to the mainstream view — might have remarkable connections to other languages elsewhere, and so might not be so isolated (in the strictest linguistic sense) after all.

          • Interesting line of thought Matthew. It gets me thinking about how complex and multi-faceted the world of the pre-historic past must have been, with different cultures co-existing and interacting just as they do today. The more I dig into history, the more I find references to long-vanished civilizations and tribes that remain obscure outside of specialized audiences. There really is a lot to explore and uncover.

            Also thinking out loud, ancient Egypt seems to me to be another good candidate for a place that had a remnant of a much older civilization — given that their chronologies also stretch back far beyond the flood and into the last ice age and that they record legends of wisdom bringers coming from elsewhere. Perhaps these ancient chronologies of Egypt (which go back to 39,500 BC) are similarly records of a very ancient civilization that existed during the ice age, perhaps co-existent with Atlantis or connected to it in some way, or perhaps one that had already become lost by the time of Atlantis.

            The factor that made me wonder about this is that Ancient Egyptian is not considered an Indo-European language (although there is some interesting research suggesting an Indo-European influence on it, based on similarities in some numerals:

            In any event, the great antiquity of these cultures does suggest the possibility that rather than starting civilization from “scratch” in places like Sumer and Egypt, the remnants of already ancient cultures in those places might have been renewed via contact with Atlantean wisdom bringers at the end of the last ice age, as the mythologies of both places seem to indicate.

          • Interesting paper Justin. I had a quick look, though of course I can’t say anything much to assess the linguistical science of it, but the conclusion the researcher leans towards is very cool!

            “In this respect, the author is more and more compelled to admit, including in view of his own analyses such as here presented, that the conclusion of Nostratic theorists concerning a common vanished proto-language which existed 12.000 years ago or far earlier and which was the ancestor of many existing languages of the ancient world – including Ancient Egyptian – makes increasingly sense.” (link)

            On a broader note. It’s interesting to consider how it was that such huge and advanced civilisations came about after the ice age? Which seem to incorporate very specific and complex views on religion for example, and share strong fundamental similarities with each other. How did they develop? I don’t know. I also don’t know what the general view on that one is, that it is merely through cultural evolution perhaps? Certainly in Egypt for example over the thousands of years their beliefs underwent change and were modified from where it first started. But how did it start? Since some of the spiritual culture is so specific, advanced, and shares fundamental principles with other far away cultures?
            It seems clues and evidence are starting to point that the rise of some of these cultures is not merely due to cultural evolution(?), but that knowledge and religious views came from an already established and advanced, common source?

            This reminds me of the quote from the Kolbrin mentioned in the Sakro Sawel video on Odin. From the transcript of the video that uses the quote: “They also tell of the squalid manner in which men dwelt before the Golden One [referring to a man called Usira and elsewhere Yosira, which sounds a lot like Osiris] led his people hence..
            The servant of the Sun [Usira/Osiris] brought the people together and put rulers over them..
            He showed them….” etc.

            These are more like questions to myself. Certainly when opening the box of looking at history, one finds another ten boxes inside. It’s a pretty huge and daunting field to try to step into. But it’s also thrilling when things come together and heartwarming to see shared knowledge of the higher principles of the religion of the sun in cultures all around the world.

          • Hi Karim, yes it is an interesting article and the conclusions are quite striking. Even more so that the author seems to be a relatively mainstream researcher with a PhD and is Director of the Armenian Egyptology Centre.

            If the researcher is right in suspecting a common proto-language behind Indo-European and Ancient Egyptian, that could perhaps suggest a connection between the origins of Egyptian civilization and Atlantis, or perhaps the similarity in words could reflect an influence between the cultures at a certain point in history. It’s hard to say as the evidence in the paper is more suggestive than conclusive, but it is very interesting all the same.

            I think the question of “how did civilization develop” is a very central one in terms of the emergence of the Religion of the Sun. It also seems to be a pretty big topic these days.

            The mainstream view is definitely one of gradual evolution — that neolithic hunter gatherer slowly developed more advanced tools, then agriculture and writing, then cities and urbanization, then even more advanced technology…etc. Until you get to the present and our civilization, which is seen as the pinnacle of evolution

            There’s a lot of problems with this view, when you scratch the surface, one of the main ones being that sophisticated technology seems to burst out of nowhere at a certain point in the historical record, without the gradual development that you would expect to see. For example, the Great Pyramids are the most perfect and sophisticated ever discovered, and pyramids dated to a later time become much more crude rather than more polished.

            Another issue is the discovery of Göbekli Tepe, over 11,000 years old and much larger than Stonehenge with intricate carvings and sophisticated astronomical alignments. This discovery totally disrupts the mainstream chronology and seems to have left people scrambling a bit to explain how neolithic hunter gatherers could have mobilized the workforce and spontaneously developed the skills to produce such a site.

            There’s also the numerous similarities in myths, language, architecture, religion, etc. among many different cultures.

            One alternative view to the “gradual evolution” – which you alluded to – is that there was a transfer of knowledge from an advanced civilization that existed in pre-history, the memory of which has been almost entirely lost. This is one of the views put forward in The Path of the Spiritual Sun, where it describes wisdom bringers from this lost culture helping to re-spread the fundamentals of civilization as well as the Religion of the Sun. This explains both the sudden emergence of civilization and the remarkable consistencies between disparate cultures around the world.

            I’ve actually been surprised at how many people out there on the internet seem open to some form of this premise. Perhaps it will become more mainstream in the near future.

        • That’s a nice one Jenny, about the American-Japan connection. I noticed that website has quite a few very good and well-researched articles.

          • Yes I agree, nice article. Writing like that seems to very easily make you reconsider things you simply accepted and never questioned.

            Anyway I just think it’s interesting to notice how easily someone can accept beliefs/theories about how history transpired.

      • Thanks Matthew for your clarification, I completely misread Justin’s paragraph on this point. What you’ve written makes complete sense to me and it’s very inspiring.

        It’s great to know that some scholars have proposed that the Sumerian language may have links to other European languages. Interestingly the Basque language mentioned is the same language as Catalan. I have some history to both. My father’s family is from Toulouse which is the South West part of France and is Basque region, as you’ve mentioned Basque country (region) is partly in France and partly in Spain. But my great grandfather is from Barcelona which is Catalonia region, the interesting part is that Basque and Catalonia country (regions) share the same language with some minor dialectical differences. The languages are called Basque and Catalan, and Catalan isn’t as some believe, a dialect of Spain. I’ve read that Catalan is spoken by 9 to 10 million people in Catalonia, Valencia, the Balearic Isles (spanish islands), Andorra which is a small country in the Pyrenees mountains, some parts of France, and the town of Alghero in Sardinia, which is an Italian island. Also, I grew up in a town called Marignane, a South eastern part of France, and my father tells me that most of the older generation spoke Catalan and not only in Marignane but in all South eastern part of France.

        • Interesting discussion about the common language thread between such separate peoples. I remember travelling through the Basque country and hearing about the uniqueness of the Basque history, genealogy and language.
          I may have said this somewhere before, but it’s probably worth adding again here (I can’t add anything on the discussion of language!) that a common story I heard while walking the Camino de Santiago (an ancient pilgrimage route which starts in the Pyrenees and crosses the Basque country, traversing the north of Spain to its western coast) was that the Basque people were the survivors of Atlantis who landed at the end point of the route, walked across Spain and settled in the mountains. They were either said to have followed an energy line (ley line, dragon line) in the ground, or made it themselves by their walking, or followed the stars. The idea that still persisted and was shared among the walkers was the Basque people were a unique, ancient people. It’s quite amazing to me now that this myth still has a life to it, (a myth that most likely contains elements of a profound truth), circulating by word-of-mouth.

          • Thanks for sharing Ella, I’m glad that you’ve added this information here. I’ve always loved all information on the Basques. I’ve read quite a lot of interesting information about the Basques being survivors of Atlantis. I’ve also read some interesting information about stone circles in Basque country.

            If anyone is interested below is an article which mentions Basque paganism, sacred sites (which include mountain peaks), Sun God and Moon Goddess, solstices etc….

          • Hey John. Thanks for sharing. I didn’t know there was such a mystery surrounding the Basques until this topic came up here 🙂 The mention of sites is interesting, and it’s really terrible to read about the persecution they underwent! Also interesting to recognize some of their mythology in other cultures as well (for example the stories of the river / water nymphs sounds very similar to the stories within the Germanic Edda, etc.).

            I just wanted to mention though that in that article towards the end in the winter / summer celebrations there’s mention of cross-quarter point celebrations (like November 1st, etc.), which is something that is not of the Religion of the Sun (as explained here). Seems like the celebration of cross-quarter points is something particular that developed in Europe, but it’s good to be aware that they are not celebrations of light.

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