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Vida Norris

Vida Norris a writer and researcher for SpiritualSun.com and is a practitioner of the Religion of the Sun. Vida is of Baltic descent, and she is fascinated by the remnants of the Religion of the Sun that are found in her Lithuanian roots, many of which are still prevalent in Lithuanian culture today. She explores ancient sacred sites and pores over ancient texts, with the hope of bringing back the relevance of the Religion of the Sun to those interested in spirituality today.

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  • It’s inspiring that Jesus prayed in nature early in the morning. I’d love to do that as well. Sometimes I manage to get up early, and I find it easier to do a practice and listen for guidance at that time of day. There’s a special calm to the world. I would love to go out in nature to pray before the day starts.

  • Thank you, Vida.

    That prayer to the Father is really quite something. Being used to such a pared back version, this one seems to make so much more sense – it feels complete.

    At times I fall into my zombie states and neglect the importance of constant prayer, it is so vital to keep a connection with all that is above us and within us.

    thanks so much for a wonderful find.

    • I agree Patty, this version of the Lord’s Prayer/prayer to the Father is quite special.

      I recall reciting the prayers to the Heavenly Father and Earthly Mother/Divine Mother when I first encountered them many years ago from reading The Essene Gospel of Prayers. I used to pray using these prayers each night before going to sleep but for some unknown reason I had stopped reciting them for the past couple of years. Thanks Vida for reminding me of how meaningful these prayers are and how important it is for me to reconnect with them.

  • Thanks Vida for adding that important part that addresses the Mother Goddess.

    “… for thine is the earth, the body, and the health.”

    Modern medical science has progressed a lot in some specific areas. But it seems that at the same time it is also often completely in the dark as to what’s going on (despite a certain appearance that is somehow upheld), both why someone is ill and also how someone actually got better in the end.

    It seems beyond the complex physically visible processes of health there ultimately lies our Earthly Mother.

    So this prayer seems full of wisdom and it also made me think of the wonderful story relayed here by Krishna Das about Adi Shankara (halfway down the page.)

  • Great reminder of these simple yet so powerful prayers (and sincere way of praying) taught by Jesus. Thanks for this post Vida.

  • I can relate to what Jesus has taught his disciples – to pray sincerely and to not just repeat lines artificially.
    There are times when I pray just by repeating words and then there are times when I pray so sincerely that I feel that all of the Universe can hear me. I can see that one has to go through some events in life in order to learn and acquire knowledge on many levels but on the other hand by praying sincerely I feel they offer mercy and guidance so that deeper understanding is reached.

  • Thanks for this updated version.

    I love the prayer to ‘our Eathly Mother’. This is one I have overlooked, but without a healthy body anything else becomes difficult.

    Something so simple, but so powerful.

    • Yes, I agree Sue, without a healthy body everything else becomes difficult.

      Thanks Vida for sharing this updated version with this prayer to the Earthly Mother. It’s the first time I’ve seen it and is something I would like to incorporate into my daily prayers.

  • Really inspiring and something I often over look, learning to pray is a really important I think and something I need to learn how to do more profoundly, thanks Vida

  • Thank you for this post.

    Most mornings I am up before dawn and like to do practices down on a beach near me when I can. I love listening to the sounds of the birds as they begin to awaken and how the world around me begins it’s daily tasks. When the sun peeks over the horizon, I tend to stop and watch and occasionally say a simple little prayer.

    However the phrase that indicates that I should be ‘rising up a great while before the day’ illustrates how I can be doing much better, rather than just lying in bed slumbering.

    To me, each day is a ‘Path of the Spiritual Sun’ in miniature and so, these excerpts also remind me of the process of the spring equinox and how the sunrise each day is a bit like it (and that midnight is a bit like the winter solstice), so in that light, it makes sense that I should be awakening ‘a great while before the day’.

    As I write this, I am also reminded of a the words of Belsebuub who said (approximately) that we should make each day count and that we should use retrospection at the end of the day to gauge ourselves. That is, each day should be a test for ourselves.
    These excerpts seem to reflect this notion too, that we should not be doing things ‘by rote’, but by experiencing and living them.

    • That sounds like a beautiful start to the day Craig. I agree with the advice about making each day count too – it’s very important.

  • Thanks very much for putting those excepts up.

    I can relate to what others have said about praying sincerely and the difference it can make. I used to pray with very formulaic prayers as a child, and while I felt there was some worth to doing them, it used to feel like there was this intangible ‘gap’ between me and the divine – as though they were there in front of me, but somehow I wasn’t quite reaching them.

    I think that may be in part as I wasn’t always praying for what I really needed in those moments, and my words didn’t match up with the heart’s yearning. I’ve found sincerely praying like it’s an honest conversation has helped to bridge that gap, and can sometimes be quite a humbling thing as we see just how much help we really rely on for any sort of spiritual pursuit.

    • Yes, I agree Nathan – praying sincerely for what we need at each moment makes a big difference and can greatly strengthen the practice of prayer.

  • What a beautiful prayer. Thank you so much Vida for sharing this. I noticed that I was able to gain a deeper insight into these words compared to the well-known version of “The Lord’s Prayer”, which I recited a multitude of times as a child at church. I would never want to diminish or trivialise the beauty of well-known “The Lord’s Prayer”, but for me I have noticed a tendency for my inner states to gloss over the truth in words, especially those that I speak regularly. This prayer jolted me awake and brought another layer of awareness to the message. It has highlighted though, the importance for me to pray with sincerity and clarity when connecting with the Devine Father and to continue to work towards lifting the fog.

    • Yes, those are good observations Michelle – to not just repeat well-known prayers on auto-pilot, but to feel the meaning of the words. I agree that it’s important to pray with sincerity and clarity, in order to fully make use of the divine forces that can help to lift us out of that fog.

  • Thank you Vida for this article on prayer. I think it is something that anyone can improve upon and get inspired from great teachers like Jesus. As others have said, this prayer looks like Our Father, even though slightly differently worded, but the content seems to be the same.

    I find this particular prayer quite challenging in the sense that it really encourages one to increase their inner standards to the level how they themselves would like to be treated. Like for example if we ask to be forgiven in the same way as we forgive to others, then we better work hard on forgiveness, otherwise the same law we are applying on others will be applied on us, which we may not like… 🙂 So it basically encourages people to work on themselves, and also to always put the Father first. I was just recently contemplating what does that really mean, I mean to really put our connection (and hopefully reunification someday) to the Divine first. To remember that this is our main goal when different petty quarrels appear, or difficult life-circumstances, or we are unfairly treated, taken advantage of, etc… How to never let ourselves entangled into these worldly fights so much as to forget what is the most important thing. I thought if we could only remember the Father, or the Divine more often, then it would be much easier to overcome our reactions/ego states, because we would remember our priorities clearly. I think I recall one section from Bhagavad-Gita, where Krishna tells Arjuna that the root of all evil lies in forgetfulness, which kind of makes sense to me.

    Anyway, just something that came to my mind while reflecting on this prayer. Thank you Vida again for bringing it up.

  • Interesting version of the “Our Father” prayer. Thanks for sharing Vida.

    I can relate to addressing the divine in simple prayer, like talking to them rather than repeating a prayer without necessarily understanding it.

    I also find it very beneficial to reflect on the meaning of prayers like the “Our Father” or others.

  • Thanks for sharing this excerpt Vida. I agree that developing a sincere personal connection with the divine is very important. Jesus mentioning that “your Father already knows what you need before you ask him” stood out to me in particular.

    It struck me that over recent months, I have been praying for particular things, but really the most important thing is to place whatever I pray for in the hands of the divine, as sometimes the things that I thought would be beneficial for me have brought difficulties, or have not been the things I needed most.

    It has become clear that there is a supreme divine intelligence, which greatly surpasses any plans my mind can create, and it’s very important to try and act in accordance with the divine will as much as possible, as this will allow the things that I really need to come into my life.

    This original version of The Lord’s Prayer adds new nuances to the commonly recognised translation and is a prayer I would like to use when praying to my divine father.

    • I would like to do that too, Michael. I mean, to put things in the hands of the divine. It can be a bit scary to do so, but perhaps the closer I feel to the divine, the easier it will be to let them guide me.

      I also love that our Father knows what we need, even before we ask. But that it’s still good to ask.

      • Yes Anne Linn, it can take quite a lot of faith to truly put our lives into the hands of the divine. Often I would pray for things that I thought I wanted, kind of asking for approval that those things were the correct choices, rather than truly seeking guidance.

        It’s reassuring that our divine parents know exactly what we need. It can take a long time to reconcile the ideas of what we want with what we actually need though! It’s tough when the things that we value are taken away from us, but it’s ultimately a blessing in the long run, as it allows for a much clearer focus on the things that are actually important, which is to work to create spiritual strength within, which will see us through the ebb and flow of good and bad situations in life and allow us to know true peace in a permanent way.

  • As a child, when I was afraid at night I remember praying to God. But for a time I had this idea that the Lord’s Prayer would be the only thing that would work. So I said it over and over until I hoped it was enough times that those bad things I prayed about wouldn’t happen. It was a bit stressful to pray like that 🙂 Even though it’s a lovely prayer, and it seemed to work. Later I started talking to Him a bit more like a father.

    I like this version of the prayer, and what Jesus says about sincerity.

    I love the part of the prayer that says “may the glory of your name be the center on which our lives turn.”

    Thanks so much for sharing this.

  • Thanks for sharing Vida!

    I enjoyed reading the prayer to the Father as it is different to the one I am familiar with. It brings out its meaning in a new form. I have recently been praying to the Father each morning as I wake so it was a pleasant surprise to see your post.

    I also appreciate the reminder Jesus gives to be sincere. Prayer is by far the most sensitive form of communication, it can only be done with a genuine approach, otherwise it can feel like the channel with the divine is tarnished.

    • I found this translation of the Lord’s Prayer quite interesting and refreshing as well. Made me see it in a new light.

    • Yes, I agree Olga – it’s important to be honest and sincere in prayer, as our personal relationship with the divine is such an important one to develop.

  • Thank you for sharing this, as well as a very different, lively translation of these New Testament passages, Vida! I have begun to pray to the Spiritual Father/Mother/Son while facing the sky or physical sun on most days, and find this reminder to speak to the Divine directly and succintly to be helpful. But if Yeshua was against ‘repeating empty phrases’, would he have opposed mantra repetition as well? I wonder how he meditated in his time. And since I discovered Religion of the Sun and Mark & Lara’s book ‘Spiritual Sun’ recently and began to read it, I keep thinking of how to integrate its wisdom into my daily life in a practical way, and to truly follow the Sun-Religion as purely as possible, even though we must find its teachings in scriptures of later religions. I appreciate all the writing and posting that your team does on the Spiritual Sun website!!

    • Hi Kaifi!

      Thanks for sharing that. I have been praying in the morning in front of the sun as well, I also find it helps inspire me to connect with the divine throughout the day. 🙂

      My understanding of the excerpt is that Jesus was trying to get across that prayer should be heartfelt and earnest, so that what one says has meaning behind it as opposed to praying for “show” or in a formulaic way when your heart isn’t in it.

      There isn’t a problem with repeating words necessarily, and in the case of certain mantras, the words themselves have a deeper meaning behind them and pronouncing them repeatedly in a concentrated way can produce a very meaningful experience, and can elevate a person’s inner state. Jesus himself was described in other ancient Gnostic texts as having used mantras, for example the mantra “IAO” in the Pistis Sophia.
      Aside from dedicated time to prayer or meditation practices, the Religion of the Sun can be integrated into daily life by practicing being in the present moment and gaining self-knowledge which can enable one to change internally and to develop a closer connection with divinity.

      Another aspect is aligning oneself in daily life in accordance with the principles of the Religion of the Sun (which are described here.)

    • Hi Kaifi J,

      Very cool how you’re reading that book and exploring how you can incorporate it into your life. I’ve found that that book has helped me to appreciate nature, the seasons, and the spiritual story imbued in all life around really, much more.
      Also Mark’s book on self knowledge called Searching Within (don’t know if you know that one) has been the most practical and wonderful thing ever for me on how to use my life for a spiritual purpose.

      Regarding the mantra repetition question. I personally find mantras, such as OM, to be a useful tool to temporarily give a boost to my level of aware perception. It does simply take time for the vibration of the sound to make the relevant part vibrate within me as well.

      Some mantras, such as the Gayatri, are more specifically like prayers. Those I personally chant and approach like a prayer, trying to actively feel the meaning of the words as I chant. I’ve felt that continuing with it for some time like that can lift me up incredibly and feel very strong. Then a mantra is merely the form that the yearning and prayer within me takes.

      But I feel that just mechanically and excessively repeating lines without the yearning within behind it and without conscious attention, basically just putting oneself on autopilot without putting in the life. That seems like a pretty empty thing to me and I don’t think anyone should expect it to accumulatively build some sort of treasure in heaven or develop a stronger personal connection to the divine.

      For me along with more spontaneous prayer. There’s also some specific prayers I do daily and I find it important to make sure they don’t become a mechanical thing, so I try to find the life in them each time, or else they’ll also start to feel like a chore.

      • Thank you for those inputs, Karim and Vida! Yes, I often rely on spontaneous prayer, which feels like a conversation or thinking aloud at times, either in front of my shrine or outside if the weather is appropriate. I used to rely mostly on set prayers when I was a pagan, and see the value of that as well, which is why I plan to eventually write some of my own daily prayers so that I can use them in a measured way. Mindfulness is challenging to build into each day, but with practice I think i can do so, and hence pray, exercise, meditate, and serve others with more self-awareness. I am still trying to wrap my head around the concept of Deity in the Sun Religion too; I usually address the trinity together.

        I most love the mantras which are like prayers, hence I like Gayatri and Asato Ma as well! I look forward to one day exploring more of Mark and Lara’s books. If they publish one in the future that focuses on the practical side of the Sun Religion, I’d love that too. “Path of the Spiritual Sun” is like a great, huge reference book rather than just a guide book, sometimes. I’m grateful to be able to look at many ancient scriptures through new eyes thanks to the book!

        • Kaifi what a lovely expression of your experience and I feel the same as you, “I’m grateful to be able to look at many ancient scriptures through new eyes thanks to the book [The Path of the Spiritual Sun]”.

          Isn’t wisdom a wonder? How the wisdom that people are able to perceive and experience gives vision to so many others! And how amazing wisdom is because it is ever expanding and everlasting.

        • Hi Kaifi,

          I relate to your description of spontaneous prayer being like a conversation; actually some of the most moving experiences of prayer I’ve had are when I’ve been able to ‘think aloud to my divine mother’, experiencing her as a kind of counselor and advisor. I was quite adverse to ‘scripted’ prayers previously. I’d not been in church much but always felt uncomfortable hearing the Lord’s Prayer recited parrot-fashion. So it’s been a process for me to learn how to pray earnestly, in a more conscious and directed way, and wonderful to come across fresh versions of the same sentiments that I’d become numb to in the Lord’s Prayer like the one Vida shared here.

          It seems to me that both the spontaneous dialogue-type prayers, and the conscious use of prayer given to us by spiritually advanced teachers, like Jesus and in ancient texts, both have their place in deepening our connection to the divine.

          In case you haven’t found them yet, there are books by Belsebuub that do have lots of practical spiritual advice, which you can find here: https://belsebuub.com/books

          • Hi Kaifi,

            The books that Ella recommended should supplement The Path of the Spiritual Sun in a practical way, and I hope you will get a lot out of reading them.

            I am also very much looking forward to the release of a series of books on Mark’s own personal journey of walking the path of the spiritual sun, which will provide a detailed guide for those interested in following the same journey. Here’s the post on Belsebuub.com for you to read:
            https://belsebuub.com/update-on-work-we-are-doing

  • Interesting translation of the Our Father chosen here. I enjoyed praying it with those words and I feel it added a little to my sense of the core ‘translation’ of the prayer.

    After getting into a prepared state by chanting a mantra I started saying this Our Father quite a few times, not in the way of empty repetition, but in an explorative way because I wanted to get closer to experiencing what I could feel by saying it with these words. The words naturally induced some light visualisations to go along with them, I also tried to connect by focusing my attention on the one I was addressing, as well as trying to notice His presence in everything around me.

    Repeating it helped me to warm up and feel the very pleasant vibe/atmosphere of the prayer. I noticed that there was an element of some form of superficiality within me though. As if the prayer is ‘given by someone else and I take it on’ which limited it as a vehicle of communication. Seeing that then I moved onto saying the prayer because I wanted to, I went into my innermost chamber in a way,  made it my personal thing, added my own nuances etc. this helped me to connect to my Divine Father.

    The ‘glory’ line is wonderful. So thanks for sharing this translation Vida. And rather than the ‘lead us not into temptation’ sentence this ‘tribulation’ version makes it feel He is (or can be) with us actively in our daily fights against obstacles.

    It feels like a wonderful gift to be able to address our divine father in a personal way and so it’s an amazing thing Jesus gave this knowledge to humanity.

  • Thanks for this article Vida. I like the description of how to pray and “going to your innermost chamber” and not “repeating empty phrases). It is when praying with the greatest sincerity that I see my prayers answered.

    I wonder if “the pretenders who love the attention while they pray” is still a common phenomenon today. I suspect a great majority of people don’t even bother to pray at all – pretending or otherwise.

    It is an interesting version of the Lord’s Prayer.

  • Thank you Vida, so much

    This seems to me is a more comprehensible and clear version of the Lord’s Prayer.

    One thing that never sat right for me in the general Lord’s prayer known around the world was when it said ‘Lead us not into Temptation’ as I couldn’t feel that to be true of our Divine Father, so reading this prayer in Gospel of Matthew it is a big relief and inspiration to see the true words, which is to ‘Rescue us every time we face Tribulation’.

    On that note there was a beautiful song that I came across on youtube, which was a song being sung by a mother to her little baby boy, and he greatly understood these words and the little one cried with a lot of sincerity and humility. I then looked to find the whole song and here it is to share it here, because it really resonated with me and it is a song of praise and understanding of the words you wrote, “Jesus explains that the Spiritual Father knows what a person needs before they’ve even asked”.

    “Good Good Father”
    Written by Pat Barrett & Anthony Brown

    Here are two versions of this song:
    Pat Barrett signing https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=djrY_eFDOwE
    Chris Tomlin signing https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CqybaIesbuA

    • Very moving.

      Amazingly, I actually felt they funneled some of the warmth of the Father…

      Initially sort of holding the mindset that He’s too far removed for any experience of Him. It’s amazing that working the road Belsebuub explains about allows us to move closer to our personal inner Father. With every insight into his actions being humbling, due to the reality of what he does for us.

    • (just to add something, regarding listening to the song. Although there’s definitely a moving ’emotive’ element which I feel can also connect to something deeper within. I do also see with a song like this that I need to keep a check on my emotional centre, so as not to allow the energy to seep out.)

      Also thank you Layla, a wonderful gift shared.

      • Yes I know what you mean Karim about how it can evoke emotions, I noticed that too and I think that song is quite poppy, catchy and emotive.

        I appreciated the lyrics the most, and that’s why I thought I’d share the song here. I know for myself, how we can begrudge, complain or contest what we go through in life however when we see the value of learning about ourselves through those experiences then we also see how the Spiritual Father who provides us with our needs is perfect in all of his ways; it helped me to gain a sense of gratitude that I was lacking.

        • I feel that what I pray and ask for has also matured over time and with experience. I think it’s a good sign and part of moving closer to aligning our will as one.

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